Tuesday, June 17, 2008

The Role of Women? Part I

Recently, I've been asked in several different arenas what my view of the role of women is. So, I've decided to blog it in response to an article that was sent to me. The article is located here. This response started as part of a one-on-one conversation, so I hope it makes sense in a blog setting. Well, here goes.

The author of this article comes out with his guns a-blazin’ against the claims that these issues are cultural instead of hermeneutical. I appreciate his (I’m assuming it is a he, as I am a he who was “instructed” and the author being a she would be rather ironic) desire to understand the Word of God and deal with it correctly. But to deny the issue at the outset as not cultural demonstrates a poor understanding of reading any historical text. The truth of the matter is this: all of the Bible is cultural, and therefore must be read with these cultural realities in mind. This doesn’t mean that there are not certain realities that we can and should learn and apply in our own setting. Instead, it just means that we need to be fully aware of that culture.

I’ve noticed that historical readings from both ends of any spectrum often suffer from the same difficulty. These historical texts are read backwards and in hindsight from where we currently stand. “Conservatives” hope to “conserve” the literal interpretation, making sure to apply what they read to be truths without considering the cultural differences and changes of the past two millennia. “Liberals” try to “liberate” archaic theology into more modern terms, basing their faith first and foremost on a scientific, Enlightenment-based rational. Either reading focuses its energy on where we are now, how we ought to live or what we know is or is not possible. We should, instead, struggle to put ourselves into the very midst of the author’s mindset so that we can fully understand what they were communicating and what was considered to be true in their society primarily. The difficult task before us then is to “translate” those principles into a world that is drastically different.

In the ancient Mediterranean world, women were necessarily considered as secondary, or to use a much more modern and theological term, “complimentary.” This is the world that Paul lived in. For us to read his words and to consider that his advice concerning the role of women was cross-cultural is to ignore the context of his writings. I don’t mean to imply that his letters don’t have implications for us now, but simply to say that we cannot deny the culture of advice or teachings that we consider “cross-cultural.”

So how were women treated in Paul’s world? As is obvious from Paul’s letters, they weren’t allowed to enter worship without their heads covered. They weren’t allowed to teach or have authority over men. They weren’t allowed to speak at all in public, unless another spoke to them. In fact, a man could insult his peers by speaking to that man’s wife, implying or leading to some form of inappropriate behavior. In marriage, women were “purchased” at a price and treated basically as property. They had virtually no rights of their own. All of their worth was included in the worth of their husbands or fathers. This is most clearly demonstrated in the Old Testament laws that operate from a male perspective. For example, Deuteronomy 24.1 makes it clear that a man can divorce his wife for any “indecency” he finds in her. Historically, it has been shown that men would divorce a woman based on her cooking, or her age or any other number of reasons that the man deemed “indecent.” Women, however, were given no such opportunities.

Their intrinsic connection to the men in their lives is based on a system of honor and shame. The social world of Paul’s day boiled down to a competitive system that reflected a man’s worth. In this system, women were essentially pawns used to affect a man, the ultimate shame being to rape another man’s wife and thus violate his most “prized possession.”

In the article you sent me, the author references 1 Corinthians 11. Obviously, for someone arguing towards a view of equality, verse three is going to be the most difficult. However, I find it interesting that the author of this article simply ignores the rest of the passage, taking the social order out of its context and hoping it will stand. As a hermeneutical principle, that is simply never appropriate, as it opens the door to any interpretation possible.

In the context, Paul is arguing for a church body that lives along the “path of least resistance.” He encourages the church to “not seek [its] own” (10.24). Even pointing out that “all things are lawful” (10.23) After the discussion on gender roles, Paul points out that the church ought to strive to be without division (11.16-19). In the context, it seems that the gender issues that Paul is dealing with are a problem by their very nature towards disruption. There are questions in the Corinthian church, and the question the people are asking is: Who has the authority to answer these questions? Paul encourages the church that “Christ is the head.” In Paul’s worldview, it has been the case that women were under men in terms of social order. But it seems that the social order is given here to convince the women at Corinth to live in accordance with the norms so that divisions will be avoided. Suffice it to say, it seems that the argument is less about social order and more about “praying and prophecy in Christian worship.”

In fact, even after he sets up this social order, he seems to almost take it back in verses 11-12. Or, one could easily see Paul’s earlier statements (vs. 2-10) as the nature of things in creation and his later statements as a new order in Christ (vs. 11-12).

Overall, I think 1 Corinthians 11 shows that there are blatant differences between men and women. Not only that, but Paul believes that no such distinction should be neglected or denied; it is only natural. This much is obvious. What is not so obvious is that Paul necessarily believes that women are socially inferior, since he seems to have a view of patriarchy that puts men primarily in verse three, and a view of interdependence in verse 11. How can this contradiction be reconciled? If Paul is using every argument available in his repertoire to prove the point of the greater context: all Christians should humbly submit to one another and avoid division in the church. Paul’s context and his overarching work must both be considered. Here he hopes to maintain unity; in other passages, Paul talks “about women as his coworkers, as fellow servants of God, and possibly even as [apostles] (Rom. 16.7).” Moreover, we must consider Paul’s understanding of what it means to lead: to lead is to first and foremost serve without the hopes of exercising power or personal rights.

Works Cited:
Malina, Bruce. The New Testament World: Insights from Cultural Anthropology (Westminster John Knox Press, 2001)
Witherington, Ben. Conflict and Community in Corinth: A Socio-Rhetorical Commentary on 1 and 2 Corinthians. (Grand Rapids: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1995)

13 comments:

Bill Victor said...

I have many thoughts on this article, but one jumped out at me: can women preach? He states no! He ties it in with ecclesiastical authority. Yet, t is ok for a woman to prophesy? We are imposing a modern ecclesiology with the authority tied to the pulpit and not really looking at the leadership that Paul discusses. The foundation of the church is in the apostles and prophets according to his words to the Ephesians. We have seen Junia mentioned as an apostle and the seven daughters of Philip mentioned as prophets. Phoebe is mentioned as both a deacon and a patron to Paul (a benefactor, perhaps similar to the gift of leadership that Paul mentions in Rom. 12.8). I have really been rethinking these issues from an exegetical standpoint and think we modern church people have a false understanding of first century church leadership. I hope this makes sense.

matt gallion said...

thanks for your comment!

i like you!

Joshua Collins said...

there's a lot in Scripture on this topic. unfortunately it's all very nuanced and much might sound utterly contradictory based on a surface reading of texts. The fundamentalist Christian school I attended liked to do this a lot.

It does seem that the office of elder/bishop (pastor) of a local ecclessia is a man's position from what we find in the New Testament. While some may argue that this is only because of the cultural issues related to women's education at the time, I have trouble with this (but won't take time to go into a full explanation.)

Nevertheless, we do have problems when we read "pastor" of assuming that this means "preacher." Yes, an elder (1 Tim. 3) must be able to teach, but most likely elders were the men set in charge of individual house churches (often several within a major city). The role was more about leadership and guidance (shepherds) than about getting pulpit-time.

Why point this out? Well, then we find verses like Acts 2's quotation of Joel's prophecy that "sons and daughters will prophesy" when the Spirit is poured out. Clearly here there is a role for woman to exercise a prophetic voice (which most often sounds connects with what we would call "preaching" now.) Thus, the prophetic daughters of Phillip and the work of Priscilla might fall in line, especially. While we find Priscilla doing apostolic work, she is always mentioned along with her husband, which means people from each side cannot say "Here is a woman apostle, or "she was clearly not an apostle." The case on the name Junia still remains open and will continue to be clarified as more archaeological findings of Greek and Latin names surfaces in years to come.

So then, if women can prophesy (as Paul allows in 1 Cor. 11) why the command in 1 Corinthians 14? I think the suggestion by those like Fee (whom I really respect) to say this was a later addition (without any manuscript evidence) are not valid and set a bad precedent for changing other things we might not be comfortable with. It seems that this applies in context to married women evaluating the prophecies by other people, especially evaluating their own husbands in a corporate setting. Women do have status, but apparently Corinth was already in a major difficulty of these Christian women finding any excuse to gain authority over their husbands through their rejection of traditional clothing (11) and even possibly challenging their own husbands prophecies (14). Paul seems to be walking a tightrope between the equal status of all believers (Galatians 3) and allowing for the apparent God-given order of the world (which was revealed in Creation and reflects the order within the very Trinity of God (1 Cor. 11:3).

You bring up very interesting issues that are often glossed over by people with preconceived biases on each side. (some say, "i find it clear that we are equal, so I will wedge the entire NT into proving that, while others make the mistake of saying "I find men to be superior and will wedge the NT into that.") I eagerly await part 2.


PS- The issue of Phoebe in Romans 16 is one of the best examples of us trying to take common first century words and plug in the technical theological definitions we have given them over the past 2000 years in every occurrence. In Romans 16, Paul commends Phoebe because she is the one carrying the letter from the Corinth area to the Roman assemblies. Diakonos is the most common Greek word for letter-carrier and is used similarly in Ephesians 6 and Colossians 4 of Tychicus.

Fun stuff. I saw NT Wright on the Colbert Report. check that out.

Bill Victor said...

To Joshua:
Phoebe is also called a "prostasis" which is a feminine term for benefactor or patron. It is very similar in its roots to the term used by Paul in Romans 12.8 for the "one who leads" (ho proistamenos). That would be a term and a function that is very similar to the house church elders you mention. Plus, women as benefactors are well attested in synagogue inscriptions (see Bernadette Brooten's work on this).

Bill Victor said...

To Joshua, part 2,
In Paul, diakonos is not the most common term to describe a letter carrier, the term apostolos or "messenger" might be a better term, see Phil. 2.25 and 2 Cor. 8.23.

Joshua Collins said...

I'm not going to quibble over whether diakonos is a very common word for letter carrier (see Bauer's lexicon, it's in there), but I think the fact that it is found in a commendation (for a letter carrier) at the end of a letter (much like the Ephesians and Colossians examples) provides a clear context that this is simply being used in a very common way. (I will grant however that the role of deacons in the Bible seems to range from "visiting the sick" to "administration of funds (like a trustee almost?)". I just think it's pretty clear that in Romans 16 it means letter carrier. As there was no postal service for private service, letters were sent with trustworthy (usually wealthy) people who could afford such a long journey. So the fact that she is a patron fits well with letter carrier as well. I can tell you that she's not an elder, though.

Also, just because words share a similar "root" does not give them shared meaning. Heck, the same word itself might have very different nuances, try thinking of all the meanings of "Trunk" in English for instance. Just because "diakonos" and "diabolos" both start with "dia" does not mean deacons are servants of the devil. They just happen to be that way. :)

matt gallion said...

Josh:

I would like to point out that it is not likely that the "enemies" of our favorite passage in 1 Corinthians were not likely to be women (see Witherington's commentary), as it was almost unheard of to call out a woman without identifying her. Instead, it seems that this is not a case of an inferred personal dispute, but a "cultural" (using that term very lightly) issue of the church there itself.

Also, if an "elder" is traditionally the patron who officiates a house church, what about the "church of Chloe" (1 Cor. 1.11)?

Don't worry, part two is coming... after a brief interruption.

Joshua Collins said...

Matt,
i'm not sure exactly what your comment meant in the first paragraph. can you reword that? and explain what you mean by "enemies" and which passage you're alluding to, because my brain isn't keeping up. It's summer, remember...

:)

Joshua Collins said...

i will go ahead and respond to the "Church of Chloe". I'm not sure if we're reading the same Greek Bible but I don't find "church" in there...

the whole house-church elder thing is more a possibility that I think might have some merit as regards the plural elders in each town the New Testament mentions, but it's not set in stone.

I think that those of Chloe is obviously those of her household (probably slaves, to be honest) who are delivering the Corinthians letter to Paul. I think reading "The church at Chloe's house" is quite a stretch. but you probably could publish a book on that since people always like new ideas.

Bill Victor said...

"So the fact that she is a patron fits well with letter carrier as well. I can tell you that she's not an elder, though."
How can you say that with no support? You can't just "tell" me that and for me to say, ok, you're right.

"Also, just because words share a similar "root" does not give them shared meaning."
It was more than a similar root, they have similar functions as well. How can you discount that? Your analogy of "trunk" was way off. I have given you instances where these words have similar roots and similar functions, that is more than having the same first two letters.

Joshua Collins said...

you could argue from silence that she is an elder. The Bible doesn't say that she isn't. It also doesn't say that she isn't a time-traveller from the future or that she was a robot. so you're right. I can't definitely say she wasn't. But I can tell you that if Paul was at the church she was at (Corinth's port city of Cenchrae), and he did not allow women to have authority in his churches (from what we find in Corinthians and the Pastorals), then she probably wasn't an elder.


i wasn't necessarily saying your words weren't related. I'm just saying it's not a slam dunk "these share meaning, one is translated leadership, so the other means leadership, therefore elder." the verb form carries a nuance as wide as leadership to simply assistance. so there's not really a clear case there.

I think we're talking past each other. We both want to say things that may be possible in the text, but we're interpreting the data differently. so it's been fun. i'm waiting for part two of this. I've been really challenged of late to study some of my theology of church leadership these past couple months and i'm trying to do so exegetically, so i'm glad we're all agreed that we need to start with scripture and then work outward (even if we end up disagreeing after we go to the Bible).

grace and peace.

Sarah Lewie said...

Matt,
I just read this post. And as a woman, it is always interesting to hear how others interpret Paul on the role of women. I think you did an admirable job of balancing the 1st century culture with delicacy in today's world.
I wish it was clearer in scripture whether it's ok for women to preach/teach/whatever. I love preaching, but there are just times (when I'm not doing it) that I feel like I could be in the wrong.
At any rate, it's an interesting conversation; thanks for broaching it. =)

Sarah Lewis

matt gallion said...

Wow. I fell behind in the comments.

My first paragraph was in response to when you said this:
"It seems that this applies in context to married women..."

And I was merely pointing out that, rhetorically, Paul was probably not talking to women who were acting out of place, but rather to a cultural idea that existed in the Corinthian church.

As far as Chloe's "people" go, I will honestly admit that I don't remember, nor do I have the resources (I'm at home, not at work where all my books are) to validate the idea that Chloe headed a church. I remember hearing it somewhere else first. So, as far as being a "new" idea that could sell books, I'm afraid I can't claim it.

Also, historically, I'm not sure what kinds of churches there were outside of house churches during the New Testament's writing, particularly since it was an illegal religion forced to meet somewhat secretly in homes until Constantine. All that to say, it's my turn to be confused by your second paragraph. What are you driving at?

And I do think we need to consider cultural issues that you simply brush by. It was an entirely different world in terms of social orders. To not consider those shifts, or to somehow decide that the radical changes in society do not affect these issues is short-sighted. I mean, what my parents made me where in the 80's is considered a sin now, and that's only been 24 years. Ultimately, as I will point out in a later post, I wonder if we are afraid of a changing world, as if that will somehow limit or diminish the kingdom of God. Can God deal with the changes in society? I think it is underestimating God to say that allowing women equality in society and in ministry roles will necessarily diminish the power of God in the world today.

I know this is not an entirely exegetical motivation, but I believe it is important to admit our presuppositions. I also find this particular bias to simply make more sense than to defend the word of God just because it is the word of God without considering the message of the rule of God at large.

Sarah: Thanks for the comment. I'm sorry that it is such a thorny issue to deal with, but I hope that you will be faithful to whatever it is that God calls you to. I've noticed in the biblical narrative that God tends to use those who are most often classified as "off limits" by the religious gurus.